It also further demonstrates how significant Giuliani was in brokering access to the President regarding Ukraine policy and in passing messages to other administration officials. It became clear to the Trump administration officials, the sources said, that they would have to deal with Giuliani. Perry acknowledged speaking to Giuliani, according to an Energy Department spokesperson. When asked if he had ever spoken to Perry about Ukraine, Giuliani responded by dismissing the question. "Did Henry Kissinger ever call me about Ukraine," Giuliani wrote to CNN on Tuesday.

Source: CNN October 08, 2019 23:48 UTC