He didn't have a, a conversation --CHUCK TODD: Truth is truth. I don't mean to go like --RUDY GIULIANI: No, it isn't truth. Truth isn't truth. Third -- and this one feels obvious -- you can't, ever, say "truth isn't truth." If Giuliani had only said "truth isn't truth," that would have been bad enough.

Source: CNN August 20, 2018 15:22 UTC