After the call ended, Mr. Holmes asked if it was true that the president did not care about Ukraine. According to Mr. Holmes’s account, the ambassador said Mr. Trump cared only about the “big stuff.” Mr. Holmes noted Ukraine had “big stuff” going on, like a war with Russia. He told Mr. Holmes he meant “‘big stuff’ that benefits the president,” like the “Biden investigation” that his lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani was pushing for, because it affected him personally. The account could prove significant as Democrats continue to build an impeachment case against Mr. Trump. Mr. Taylor said then that he had only recently learned of the episode from Mr. Holmes.

Source: New York Times November 15, 2019 23:08 UTC