Listen here or subscribe at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favourite podcasts, including YouTube, where Closed Captioning is available. If you would like to support the journalism of the Toronto Star, you can subscribe at thestar.com/subscribingmatters. Guest: Joanna Chiu, Toronto Star reporter covering Canada-China relations and author of “China Unbound”It’s been almost three years since former diplomat Michael Kovrig and entrepreneur Michael Spavor (collectively known as the “two Michaels”) were arrested by the Chinese Communist Party. The move was seen as retaliation against Canada’s arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, who is currently standing trial for possible extradition to the United States. It all seems so shocking, but as Star reporter Joanna Chiu reports, this form of hostage taking diplomacy and death threat diplomacy is not new.

Source: thestar August 18, 2021 18:55 UTC