“Van Ardan was my day-to-day guy. I talked to him every day of my life. And Robert Fraley, my wife and I were going to leave our kids to Robert and [wife] Dixie, that’s how much we loved them. And for Payne to be on there too. And it changed me as a person, not always in a good way.

Source: Los Angeles Times June 12, 2019 00:11 UTC