One of the things I began by asking you was the degree to which Davos this year — it’s not that something that happened at Davos ended the old order. Or are we just in a possibly quite dangerous interregnum where nothing is quite structured or stable. I think, I mean, I’m on, I’m like, I’m dying on the hill that we’re not even, not even in an interregnum like. So I, when Germans ask me — Germans are really addicted to this order thinking; there’s even a school of German economics called ordoliberalism — I always try and push back on this and say, if you’re looking for order, you’ll never see it. But if you’re looking for ordering attempts, actions, the pragmatic approach, as you say, it’s all around us already, all the time.

Source: New York Times January 31, 2026 15:40 UTC